Can I beat a HP V8 Camaro?

[Matty-O]

Sup everybody...Ok this kid at my pool where I work keeps giving me crap about how I have a little 2.0 with its 105 whp and its such a wussy engine bc I try and defend it talking about the amount of torque that it has in the lower RPM range kicks some serious butt and ive destroyed many other NA 4-bangers b4(eclipse civic maxima and a 97' v6 BMW3series) and to confirm it i let one of leading car knowitalls at work drive it and he said to him "Car handles turns under acceleration like no other car ive driven (hes driven everything from trans ams to civic to corvette and down the line) nd the kid still laughs at it...now this kid(the ball breaker) drives a V8 Camaro doing about a 13 sec 1/4 mile but has no suspension work done except these control arms that prvent the wheels form spinning...it's a completely stock suspension...i want to challenge him to a race...not drag...but timed street course with lots of twists and turns and a few long straight aways...(yes yes i know DONT STREET RACE)...could i win? i must know quickly im going in to work later tonight...i need all the responses i can get FAST! thanks...Matt

*edited for language by sausageburner*

[GoodDayForADrive]

Yea, take him on some mountain roads or something with a lot of bends, and that V8 won't matter much without suspension to support it. Also, if you are a better driver, which always helps :)

[Mortal_Wombat]

piss in his gas tank that should fix him up good :P jk
twisty road! dunno if you'll win but i doubt that he is a good driver on anything besides a drag race...i drive a mk2 not exactly a mk4 person hehe

[sausageburner]

do you have any suspension upgrades? If not then in all honesty he would win. his car is much faster and would have better acceleration once the roads straighten out from the curves. And camaro's come with a pretty good suspension.

[jettadude]

to the ? in the post. no you can't beat a V8 camero. maybe in a slaulm*sp. oh you said that you beat other cars before.

"butt and ive destroyed many other NA 4-bangers b4(eclipse civic maxima and a 97' v6 BMW3series)"

Ok being a BWM nut i don't think you beat a V6 3 series. the 2.8 would own you and so would the 3.0 and so on. they have way more power and are superior to your car in everyway. srry i need proof for that one.

[sausageburner]

to the ? in the post. no you can't beat a V8 camero. maybe in a slaulm*sp. oh you said that you beat other cars before.

"butt and ive destroyed many other NA 4-bangers b4(eclipse civic maxima and a 97' v6 BMW3series)"

Ok being a BWM nut i don't think you beat a V6 3 series. the 2.8 would own you and so would the 3.0 and so on. they have way more power and are superior to your car in everyway. srry i need proof for that one.

im with jettadude, no way a 2.0 slow can beat a 3 series bimmer. not even on the track they have a better suspension that a stock jetta.

[gottajetta]

i dont think you can beat him cuz a v-8 vs a 4 cylinder...thas a massive different even tho ur on the curves...one 1/4 mile straight and u will see nothing but his backside...

[GoodDayForADrive]

I"m waiting for TougeSpecialist to reply to this one, unless he never came to this site, I don't remember :)

[Mr_Diesel]

Dude, you'd get owned in all the straight roads, no doubt.... But heavy cars like his dont fare in handling very well.

[Matty-O]

The beamer was around a 95' with about 3 people in it iwas by myself...and honestly the dude wasnt a good driver...that prob how i won...so the concensus is the id get destroyed then?

[Gotturbo]

How did you beat a maxima? They come stock with like 200hp 265hp on special adition models

[Mr_Diesel]

Yeah... with a "tweaked" computer, and a fart can... Not to mention, the rear trunk has to be smashed in for the car to be fast... Don't forget sam!!!

[jettadude]

hey my back end is banged up :cry:

[Gotturbo]

Hey cody I would like to see you win my friends maxima even with his fartcan.

[Matty-O]

I beat the guy in a Highway race...It was a really good race...we were moving quite nicely in and out of lanes...I ended up winning bc he made one false lane change and i made one good quick change, right through a hole shot and i just jetted...same thing basically happened with a Lexus SC300 i took down also...I know you think theyre tall tales but Im not just blowing smoke here...In highway races, If you can out drive someone you can easily win...

[91wolf]

BMW does not have a v6... it's an inline 6..

And i highly doubt that a stock terd liter can beat a v8 camarslow..

[Mr_Diesel]

Actually, they do make a V6 :wink:

[91wolf]

Actually, they do make a V6 :wink:

ok.. when? they are all RWD.. There was NEVER a straight up v6 in a 3 series bmw...

[jettadude]

Actually, they do make a V6 :wink:

ok.. when? they are all RWD.. There was NEVER a straight up v6 in a 3 series bmw...
you never said just 3 series. and i do belive BMW did make a V6 and just becaise its RWD doesn't mean that is have to be a Inline engine.

[91wolf]

you never said just 3 series. and i do belive BMW did make a V6 and just becaise its RWD doesn't mean that is have to be a Inline engine.

uhh.. wasn't that said in the beginning of the thread? That it was a 3-series?
RWD does have a big play in an engine being inline.. ;)


This forum makes baby ***** cry.. :cry:

[renegade]

to the ? in the post. no you can't beat a V8 camero. maybe in a slaulm*sp. oh you said that you beat other cars before.

"butt and ive destroyed many other NA 4-bangers b4(eclipse civic maxima and a 97' v6 BMW3series)"

Ok being a BWM nut i don't think you beat a V6 3 series. the 2.8 would own you and so would the 3.0 and so on. they have way more power and are superior to your car in everyway. srry i need proof for that one.

not to mention i smoked my friends 2.0 with my mercedes c220 and the maxima is a 6cylinder bud.

[renegade]

How did you beat a maxima? They come stock with like 200hp 265hp on special adition models

maxima actually started with 160hp then went into the 200's with newer models.

[Mr_Diesel]

you never said just 3 series. and i do belive BMW did make a V6 and just becaise its RWD doesn't mean that is have to be a Inline engine.

uhh.. wasn't that said in the beginning of the thread? That it was a 3-series?
RWD does have a big play in an engine being inline.. ;)


This forum makes baby ***** cry.. :cry:


LOL, wtf?

[Gotturbo]

How did you beat a maxima? They come stock with like 200hp 265hp on special adition models

maxima actually started with 160hp then went into the 200's with newer models.

yea but they were only 160 for like 2yrs you hardly see any of the 160hp ones.

[91wolf]

LOL, wtf?

I'm still waiting for that v6 BMW you speak of... :lol:

[jettadude]

i thought this thred was dead. why must you keep kicking up these dead threds? :? j/k lol :lol:

[Getta8v]

Man i got a an atlantic blue 2000 Jetta 2.0 5spd with intake, exhaust, 260 cam, lightweight pullies, suspension up the yin yang and i still got owned by a maxima...thats stop light action.

[Gotturbo]

My friend just put a brand new tranny in his Maxima its way faster than it was.

[jettadude]

My friend just put a brand new tranny in his Maxima its way faster than it was.
the word is quicker not faster. unless he got lower gears to rais his top speed its faster but i think you mean quicker. im such a prik huh sam? :lol: 8)

[Gotturbo]

whatever :roll:

[1985gti]

What is the point of racing on the highway :x , it is stupid and irresponsible :x . Also if you do choose to make the dumb assed mistake :x of street/highway racing, it isnt a real show of the car or driver's performance. RACING IS NOT FOR THE STREETS!!! PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE LIVES OF THE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE.

[burn_your_money]

What is the point of racing on the highway :x , it is stupid and irresponsible :x . Also if you do choose to make the dumb assed mistake :x of street/highway racing, it isnt a real show of the car or driver's performance. RACING IS NOT FOR THE STREETS!!! PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE LIVES OF THE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE.

Good point here. I definflty think you have to considor what could happen in a worst case scenerio. I have never truly street raced, but if I did, it would be late at night where there is NO traffic on the highway, or street. Especially cops :D

[SteveXs2]

^^ and ^. I agree.

If I ever raced, it'd be on a rarely-used highway road with minimum 2 lanes and no blind turns. Either that or on some dirt road that hasn't been used for years, I'm not a big fan of street racing because there's a lot of streetracing in Vancouver & surrounding areas and because of them our license laws really suck (I can only ever drive one passenger).

Seriously though, race him on a real track or something.

[2002maniac]

Sorry, Bmw has never made nor will they ever make a V6 . And yeah, your 2.0 mk4 would definately get killed by a maxima, 3-er bmw, or even the camaro. And highway racing isnt a test of the car but of the driver. The only place you MIGHT beat the camaro would be a very tight auto-x course. The f-body camaro not only weighs LESS than your car its got about twice the power.

[TougeSpecialist]

Actually.....IT IS highly possible to beat a maxima, bimmer 3 series or even a camaro. In Japan, "touge racing" or racing on mountain roads is quite popular. You can commonly see little civics, integras, etc beating high-powered machines as the skyline and supra.

Near my place, there are lots of tight, twisting mountain roads that really test you when you go full throttle. I practice there many times and have beaten many various imports and muscle cars with no problem.

For instance, 2 months ago, I raced a camaro ss there. On the first stretch of the course lies 1 semi-long staightaway. He got away (3-4 car lengths) with his power here, but when the consecutive corners came, I gassed out each one, cut him off on one of the corners, got away and beat him by 4 seconds.

Heres the point. Those roads are very narrow and demanding. A muscle car's power would be quite useless in those type of roads unless there were alot of straightaways. The lowered powered jetta, on the other hand, would be able to use its FULL potential on the roads. You could push it hard on each corner and lose him rather quickly.

Trust me on this. I go up on those mountain roads every week. If you are still abit skeptical about my statement, visit this site www.bestmotoringvideo.com . It has many car races that are held in narrow mountain roads. Ive even seen little civics or mr2s kill 300hp monsters on their videos. 8)

[TokenblkguyVR6]

A 2pointslow 5spd would get owned by any of the said cars including the fictional 'V6 bimmer' . But a 2liter auto-trajik....fuhgettaboutit...Unless they were tryin to clutch with their hands, they will beat you like you stole something.

[TougeSpecialist]

Depends on your skill and where you race. Power is not everything you know...

[Gotturbo]

RACING IS NOT FOR THE STREETS!!! PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE LIVES OF THE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE.

Do you honestly think anyone's gunna listen to you?

[GoodDayForADrive]

hah...

[Gotturbo]

Personally I dont care how good of a driver you are... If a car has more power than you as long as there a good driver there going to beat you.

[TougeSpecialist]

Explain why a little 140hp toyota corolla beat a 330hp monster as the skyline or why a little 120hp civic beat a 280hp s2k on www.bestmotoringvideo.com . The reason? The drivers of course.....

[Gotturbo]

cause the skyline driver sucked... You cant tell me that if a good driver was behind the wheel of a AWD TT skyline that they wouldnt win against a corrola. corralos are slow anyways :roll:

[TougeSpecialist]

Go to the website. Both racers are world renowned racers. They have equal skills. They did that battle to prove that "power is not everything."

[burn_your_money]

Go to the website. Both racers are world renowned racers. They have equal skills. They did that battle to prove that "power is not everything."

I beleive it, and I haven't even watched the videos.

[jettadude]

Sorry, Bmw has never made nor will they ever make a V6 . And yeah, your 2.0 mk4 would definately get killed by a maxima, 3-er bmw, or even the camaro. And highway racing isnt a test of the car but of the driver. The only place you MIGHT beat the camaro would be a very tight auto-x course. The f-body camaro not only weighs LESS than your car its got about twice the power.

whoa whoa who mention a F-body. your going older then he is talking about. im not a big chevy fan or konw that much but didn't they end the F-body in the 80's. the newers camero's are heavier then a jetta.

[2002maniac]

[quote=2002maniac]
whoa whoa who mention a F-body.

he didnt specify, I was just making an example. I am NOT a chevy guy but here are some facts;
Camaro 2000
Weight: 3436/

Engines
disp inj HP Torque C/R
3.4 -------160@? ?@? ?
5.7 ------275@5000 325@2000 10.5
(223@4200 HP at the wheel)

Jetta 2000
2945lbs
115hp 122ft/lbs (@ the crank)

Jetta=25.6lb/hp
Camaro=12.49lb/hp

The camaro has to push HALF as many pounds as the Jetta per hp. not to mention torque!! Im not saying the camaro is better or that I would even want to own one, just stating that a v8 camaro would destroy a stock 2.slo in ANY situation. Im sure someone will pipe up saying"its the driver!" BS! a good driver helps, but isnt the only factor.

- you might stand a rare chance IF your twisty road is all downhill.

[miamiDaveGLi]

:D

[TougeSpecialist]

The camaro has to push HALF as many pounds as the Jetta per hp. not to mention torque!! Im not saying the camaro is better or that I would even want to own one, just stating that a v8 camaro would destroy a stock 2.slo in ANY situation. Im sure someone will pipe up saying"its the driver!" BS! a good driver helps, but isnt the only factor.

- you might stand a rare chance IF your twisty road is all downhill.

Just wondering, have you actually tried racing a camaro on narrow, winding roads? The problem is that most people look at the power stats and AUTOMATICALLY assume that more power=instant win. Its not!

I go up the mountain roads like every week and KILL......(yes I mean KILL)...those annoying muscle cars (and other noisy ricers) that get in my way. If you want LIVE proof of underpowered cars beating powerhouse machines, please go to www.bestmotoringvideo.com . They have a battle in which a little 120hp civic beat a 280hp s2k! Its no BS!