A2 for a first car?

[iWANTaDUB]

I'm looking for my first car. I was thinking a V DUB, i don't want something everone has (civic) but something thats fun to mod, reliable and can hit the track (autoX). What do you guys think/recommend?

EDIT: I'm also in a small town (Clovis,NM) so i'll be traveling to get this piece of beauty. I'm thinking i have around 10 to spend.

[GoodDayForADrive]

10 grand? you can get a NICE A2 for 10 grand :lol: 8O

[Calabi]

Yeah, if you really have 10 grand to spend, look into A3 and A4 Jettas. You could get a nice A3 GLX for about 5 i bet. I'm looking into getting a new car after next summer for about 10 grand (probably a 1.8T or GLX A4).

[miamiDaveGLi]

or you could snag a SICK a2 with a vr6 transplant , or even one with a 1.8t :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Sonjay]

i would buy a A2 and mod the heck outta it, VR6 swap and the whole deal man!! :twisted:

[Gotturbo]

If I were you I would get a MK3 GLX VR6... It would be alittle slower than a mk2 vr6 cause theres not THAT much weight diffrence and it would be alot less work all you would have to do is maybe new paint... Unless you can find a MK2 coupe :twisted: Coupe VR6!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[2002maniac]

Buy Louis's 1.8t mk2!! It is awesome and worth every penny! check it out here... http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1335075 Id rather have that than a mk4 GTI/GLI etc.

[miamiDaveGLi]

Buy Louis's 1.8t mk2!! It is awesome and worth every penny! check it out here... http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1335075 Id rather have that than a mk4 GTI/GLI etc. 8O 8O 8O 8O OOOOOO BABY !! that thing is SIck :D ya dude buy the 1.8t! 8O

[Gotturbo]

If I only had 10K :cry: :cry: You guys havent seen that thing in real life it SO NICE!!!!

[Slalom]

Buy Louis's 1.8t mk2!! It is awesome and worth every penny! check it out here... http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1335075 Id rather have that than a mk4 GTI/GLI etc.

wow... serious attention to detail... only needs to be lowered and shod with some BBS wheels

[burn_your_money]

you said something that not everyone has so MK1 is where to start LOL. If you can find a nice body and drop a better engine in it, you will be set. If you could get a scirocco, that would be truly outstanding.

[SteveXs2]

http://gethyped.net/stevepics/Beauty%20Jetta.jpg

[Mr_Diesel]

I would get an A2 because they are a lot easier to work on and cheaper to fix when the time comes... If I were you I'd look for a 90' or 91' corrado SLC or G60... Those cars are super fun to mod, they handle great, and you can find an awesome one for less than 5,000 bucks.

[iWANTaDUB]

Are they reliable in stock trim tho? I'm not sure how quickly i'll be able to mod. I'm acutally <3in that blue jetta. My mom said try to keep the cost of the car itself as lowas possible and we'll probably be getting hte car shipping =/

EDIT: How much would a VR6 swap be? (would that be the engine at 0 miles or low mileage?)

[Mr_Diesel]

Are they reliable in stock trim tho? I'm not sure how quickly i'll be able to mod. I'm acutally <3in that blue jetta. My mom said try to keep the cost of the car itself as lowas possible and we'll probably be getting hte car shipping =/

EDIT: How much would a VR6 swap be? (would that be the engine at 0 miles or low mileage?)

The Corrado SLC has a VR6 in it, and the G60 has a 4 cylinder with a supercharger on it (perfect candidate for a turbo conversion). The cars are very reliable if kept up on maintanence, as are all German Cars.

[jettadude]

A2's are fun and very easy to work on. but if you got 10 grand to sped, i would go with a corrado. if you want a jetta, get a A3 Vr6 and turbo it.

[Calabi]

Which are good candidates for turbos (SLC, G60, or both)?

Two days ago I was thinking I'd want to spend $10,000 on a 1.8t or VR6 A4. Yesterday, I wanted an A3 GLX and then I'd put a turbo in it. Today, I want a Corrado. However, I don't know too much about them.

Does EIP Tuning have a turbo kit for the VR6 Corrado? If not, who does? What Corrado engine does everyone recommend? To me, the VR6 would be awesome, but so would a supercharged 4-cyl.

EDIT:
It looks like if you spend $4000 to $5000 on a Corrado, you'll get a pretty nice one! I might have to go out and get one right now! :D

Seriously, I'm going to start looking.

[Mr_Diesel]

Which are good candidates for turbos (SLC, G60, or both)?

Two days ago I was thinking I'd want to spend $10,000 on a 1.8t or VR6 A4. Yesterday, I wanted an A3 GLX and then I'd put a turbo in it. Today, I want a Corrado. However, I don't know too much about them.

Does EIP Tuning have a turbo kit for the VR6 Corrado? If not, who does? What Corrado engine does everyone recommend? To me, the VR6 would be awesome, but so would a supercharged 4-cyl.

EDIT:
It looks like if you spend $4000 to $5000 on a Corrado, you'll get a pretty nice one! I might have to go out and get one right now! :D

Seriously, I'm going to start looking.

If you plan on doing a turbo, then I would get the G-60. The G-60 has sensors and an ECU that is geared for boost. As well as the internals of the engine are engineered to take the heat and stress from running boost. This engine is forced induction ready... Meaning there are NO modifications required. Personally, I'd rather have a turbo on the G60 cause the supercharger takes away about 25-30 hp from the engine to make boost... A turbo doesnt take any. So there is a 30hp gain all in it's own (if you run stock amounts of boost).

If you super or turbo your VR6 there are things that you are going to want to do to it. People say all you have to do is add the turbo, but the ideal and most reliable way to go about it would be to add forged pistsons and rods, lower the compression slightly with an EIP copper head gasket. Not to mention the stock ECU might not supply enough fuel to compensate for the boost... You are basically looking at an entire engine redesign to reliably turbo the VR6... but in the end, a VR6 with a turbo would be way faster than a turbo'ed 4 cyl. 10,000 is probably not enough to accquire a Corrado SLC and turbo it. If I was in your position, I'd stick with the G60.

About the EIP kits. Any turbo kits designed for the VR6 will work in a Corrado SLC. As goes for the G60. Any turbo kits designed for a 4 cylinder volkswagen, it should work on the G60.

[Calabi]

So, to put a turbo in a G60, you'd take out the supercharger first, right?

Also, if I ended up not doing any forced induction mods to a Corrado, which one is the better choice? I'd like to turbo one, but I just don't see it happening. I would think that the SLC might be better if I didn't want to worry about rebuilding the supercharger (unless it's already done).

To put it simply, which one would require less maintenance between the two engines if both were originally maintained equally well? I'm thinking that the SLC is faster stock, am I correct?

[GoodDayForADrive]

So, to put a turbo in a G60, you'd take out the supercharger first, right?

Also, if I ended up not doing any forced induction mods to a Corrado, which one is the better choice? I'd like to turbo one, but I just don't see it happening. I would think that the SLC might be better if I didn't want to worry about rebuilding the supercharger (unless it's already done).

To put it simply, which one would require less maintenance between the two engines if both were originally maintained equally well? I'm thinking that the SLC is faster stock, am I correct?

I believe you are correct, but I have heard the VR6 in corrados has significantly more problems than a normal VR6, I don't know why that is...

[Calabi]

Right now, I'm kind of leaning toward the G60, since it is a 4-cyl (in theory, more reliable and better gas mileage) and since it is less expensive to mod.

If I found a G60 that needed a supercharger rebuild, it looks like I could have it rebuilt for about $700 (though I'm not sure where) or EIP tuning has a turbo kit for $2500 (the same price as a Neuspeed Supercharger for a 2.0).

The turbo kit would increase horsepower to at least 180 at the wheels.

[Mr_Diesel]

Right now, I'm kind of leaning toward the G60, since it is a 4-cyl (in theory, more reliable and better gas mileage) and since it is less expensive to mod.

If I found a G60 that needed a supercharger rebuild, it looks like I could have it rebuilt for about $700 (though I'm not sure where) or EIP tuning has a turbo kit for $2500 (the same price as a Neuspeed Supercharger for a 2.0).

The turbo kit would increase horsepower to at least 180 at the wheels.

Why get the kit? You don't need the kit. Get on Vortex and search for a turbo diesel turbo and manifold. The manifold will bolt right up... Worst case, you might have to go to napa and get an extension to run your oil supply lines. You can find a good TD turbo and manifold for about 300 bucks.

Volkswagens are all high maintanence cars. High performance cars have always been that way. The VR6 will probably cost you less in the long run because it's not a forced induction engine... Less sensors to go wrong, or bearings in your turbo or sc to go bad. (get my drift?). If you EVER plan on modding the car, the VR6 will cost you lots lots lots more than the G60 as noted in the previous posts.

You are right about the gas mileage... An old VR6 will get you about 20mpg (less if you are a lead foot), the G60 will get you about 28 (less if lead foot(again)).

A turbo is definatly within your grasp if you get the G60, but you can pretty much forget it with the VR6 unless you make a lot of money... Still at this standpoint, I'd reccomend the G60.

So, to put a turbo in a G60, you'd take out the supercharger first, right?

Also, if I ended up not doing any forced induction mods to a Corrado, which one is the better choice? I'd like to turbo one, but I just don't see it happening. I would think that the SLC might be better if I didn't want to worry about rebuilding the supercharger (unless it's already done).

To put it simply, which one would require less maintenance between the two engines if both were originally maintained equally well? I'm thinking that the SLC is faster stock, am I correct?

I believe you are correct, but I have heard the VR6 in corrados has significantly more problems than a normal VR6, I don't know why that is...

I dunno about the authenticity of this comment, but if it's true I'd say it's because the Corrado was the first to get the VR6 shortly followed by the Passat.

[GoodDayForADrive]

Yeam that might be why, I just heard it from a VW guy at a shop I know, he owns a G60, but blew his supercharger, lol

[iWANTaDUB]

We have a new VW in the family but its not mine =[. My mom purchased a Passat today. So i'm up next just gotta decide. I don't think i'll be getting a corrado because it would be hard to find around here and if i found one id have to get it shipped. So its Golf or Jetta. Hard to decide grrrr.

[Mr_Diesel]

We have a new VW in the family but its not mine =[. My mom purchased a Passat today. So i'm up next just gotta decide. I don't think i'll be getting a corrado because it would be hard to find around here and if i found one id have to get it shipped. So its Golf or Jetta. Hard to decide grrrr.

You definatly wont' find a G60 golf or jetta :) In that case, look for a VR6 Jetta. You WILL be dissatisfied with the 2.0L performance, don't settle for a 2.0L just because you can't find a VR6 right away.

[Calabi]

Thanks for the info. How about this turbo: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1634622? How much would it cost to have it rebuilt? Also, he says "the turbo is a garret vnt15 and will support about 7-8 psi on a gas motor was running one on my corrado I just sold.Will make higher boost levels but will not flow enough air to support any rpm's past 4500 just like a diesel it is maxed out by then.Turbo shafts are weak on these as well so high boost and compressor surge kills them."

What exactly does that mean? Would I not be able to go above 4500 rpm? If I wanted to accelerate hard every once in a while, would I even need to go above 4500?

[Mr_Diesel]

The turbo could be too small to support to Cubic Feet/Minute at that rpm.

[burn_your_money]

So once he hits 4500 RPM, what would happen?

[Mr_Diesel]

So once he hits 4500 RPM, what would happen?

Your powerband would drop off, and that would suck :lol:

[2002maniac]

Yeah, after a turbo passes its maximum effiency it just heats up the air.
Small turbo=good for low rpm TORQUE, spools fast
Large turbo=Low end lag, power starts kicking in late(like 4000) Huge
amounts of power in the top end
Medium turbo=good compromise between the two

For a 2.0 or 1.8

TDI would be a small turbo, diesels dont flow much air because they
doint rev as high

TO4 or T3-T4 hybrid would be too big unless you want a race car with no bottom end

Garrett T-3 is a good size

Now this all depends on boost levels too, a TDI turbo wouldnt pass its max efficiency if you only wanted 4-5 psi. A T-3 might be too small if you want upwards of 18psi It all depends.

Hope this helps somewhat

[jettadude]

So, to put a turbo in a G60, you'd take out the supercharger first, right?

Also, if I ended up not doing any forced induction mods to a Corrado, which one is the better choice? I'd like to turbo one, but I just don't see it happening. I would think that the SLC might be better if I didn't want to worry about rebuilding the supercharger (unless it's already done).

To put it simply, which one would require less maintenance between the two engines if both were originally maintained equally well? I'm thinking that the SLC is faster stock, am I correct?

I believe you are correct, but I have heard the VR6 in corrados has significantly more problems than a normal VR6, I don't know why that is...
they are the same VR6 in all VW it would be stupid to change the engine for each different car. car companys look to go the cheapest. so a VR6 is a VR6.

[Mr_Diesel]

With the exception of the 12 and 24 valve VR6 :D :D :D

[2002maniac]

and the early Vr's used Distributers

[Mr_Diesel]

and the early Vr's used Distributers

Really?!!! lol. I did not know that:)

[jettadude]

im looking at a VR6. im awaiting a price.