1992 Eagle Talon

[kodkingvegeta]

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2445787/1

Heres my 1992 Eagle Talon, I bought this after I sold my Jetta. Lol

[SteveXs2]

Hahah, that car is hilarious.

Why would that guy paint the hood black? I mean, emulating carbon fibre is obviously his intention, but there's nothing like painting it black so it absorbs more heat so your engine runs hotter, every turbocharged engine should have that done to it! That and rid of those crazy intercoolers, what are those for anyway? All they do it add weight.

:roll:

That guy has good taste in wings............................................

[GoodDayForADrive]

Um.. Steve, "That Guy" is the guy who posted this thread. Too bad I still agree with you... I love the story about going 80 too.. a classic.

[Mr_Diesel]

You sold your German car for a hammered, non turbo DSM??? Come on man... I can't see your logic in that trade off.

[jettadude]

the whole black painted hood thing must be popular in pa cuz i see it everywhere, primer black does NOT look like carbonfiber, you had a nicely painted hood that was body color why paint it black? and why sell your dub for a NON TURBO talon? its a DSM they suck! problems all the time yea easy power IF it was turbo but its not. i had a 91 6bolt talon tsi. put 2G's into it car ran 12's but then proceeded to blow up! transfer case, tranny, slave cylinder, cracked the head. sold the damn thing got my vr and love it. i had a dsm for maybe 4 months. fun car looked like **** but went like a mofo. but anyways yea dude the wing looks like your going to wash the car and hang it on a power line to dry. so if i were you, get a vr6 and you will be happy with the power cuz it will smoke a non turbo talon anyday. get a dub please! they are soo much more luxurious and handle well and have decent power. thats what german cars are all about, riding in style with good ride confort, good handleing good get up and go. talons well the turbo ones go in a straight line ok, the awd makes turns squirly sometimes the ride was total crap hit a bump the motor fell out. all i gotta say is whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

[SteveXs2]

Um.. Steve, "That Guy" is the guy who posted this thread. Too bad I still agree with you... I love the story about going 80 too.. a classic.

I though this post was a joke, hence the "lol", and for some reason I thought Kodkingvegeta was a Utah resident like many others on here... except now I realize it was someone else I was thinking of (the one that works at the same place as diesel).

Oops.

Oh well, comments all remain the same, that car is hilarious.

[GoodDayForADrive]

Oh well, comments all remain the same, that car is hilarious.

true enough

[SteveXs2]

Why would that guy paint the hood black? I mean, emulating carbon fibre is obviously his intention, but there's nothing like painting it black so it absorbs more heat so your engine runs hotter, every turbocharged engine should have that done to it! That and rid of those crazy intercoolers, what are those for anyway? All they do it add weight.

I completely forgot that the car is non-turbo. So instead of having a hotter turbo'ed engine, you've got a hotter na engine, so not as crucial, but still blech.

I used to have a DSM, hated the thing.

[kodkingvegeta]

I proubly should have figured I would get all this negative feed back from this "dub" ppl. You no how many ppl that I no that have vws and say all they are, are problemsto them. This DSM makes my 3rd DSM that I own, I also have a 99 Black Eclipse and a 90 Black Eclipse and I have no problems with any of them. I bought my Jetta because I was lookin for a 4 door family car so I bought the jetta. But now that I got my Talon, I would have to say that the pick up and go on the Talon would smoke the Jetta in a heart beat. The jetta has NO power what so ever, and I dont care about vr6s eather. Iv seen a few vr6s and I think there ugly cars. And as far as "luxurious and handle well and have decent power. thats what german cars are all about, riding in style with good ride confort, good handleing good get up and go" jettas and vr6s are not luxurious, they really aint to confortable to sit in, because of how far u have to pull ur sit foward, and like I said they just dont have any power in them. With this dsm's u can do so much to them that you cant with jettas and vr6s. Im sorry to say it but for the most part vws sux.

[jettadude]

i don't know maybe talons that came in leather, oh wait they never did. heated seats? i don't think so, vr6's are the same as any other jetta just different engine and better seats. theres no replacement for displacement.

[SteveXs2]

With this dsm's u can do so much to them that you cant with jettas and vr6s. Im sorry to say it but for the most part vws sux.

Like bolt on a massive wing and paint your hood black?

[jettadude]

With this dsm's u can do so much to them that you cant with jettas and vr6s. Im sorry to say it but for the most part vws sux.

Like bolt on a massive wing and paint your hood black?

hey i can uderstand the flat black. to lessen radar when your speeding across the highway and the wing catches lift and you become a low flying aircrap i mean craft. :lol: j/k i really do not understand why you painted it black. :?:

[kodkingvegeta]

I painted the hood black, because the next thing is to paint the hatch black, once I weld the holes shut in the back. I making the whole top of the car one color and the bottom half another color. And with leather seats dsm's sure did come with leather seats. Just like your vr6's TSI's and GS-Ts, GSX's came with leather seats. Just not heated seats. And they cost a hell of alot less then jetta's do. And with fixing them up, getting body kits and rims and exhaust systems are alot easyer to do. I took my jetta to my gaurge and asked the machince if I could put an exaust on it, and he said it would hard to do and prouble make alot of ratting noise hitting the back axel. I can sit here and argue with u all day y I like dsm's more then vw's. But I just dont think you guys care, all u care about is ur vw's and are not open minded about anything else.

Here are some links to other dsm's that are way better looking then any vw.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2169436/1
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2232784/1
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2173016/1
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2083735

[Mr_Diesel]

I can sit here and argue with u all day y I like dsm's more then vw's. But I just dont think you guys care, all u care about is ur vw's and are not open minded about anything else.

Okay... lets argue all day! :D I've owned a turbo DSM and it was the crappiest car EVER. 1995 Talon TSi. The car was garbage. It had 112,000 miles on it and both front tie rods were bad. Some bearing in the rear gearbox was bad causing unnerving racket, and vibration on the highway. It grinded every time I shifted into 2, 3 and 4th gears because the synchros were shot... VERY common on dsm transmissions. The slave and master cylinders were on their way out causing me to be unable to completely disengage the clutch to get the shifter into 1st gear at a stopsign or stoplight. Previous own had replaced the tiny turbo twice. Burned 1 quart of oil every couple weeks, pieces of the car falling off... inside and out.

My jetta (231,000 miles) has had HALF the work of the TSi, and my jetta pushes just as much boost as a TSi does.

I painted the hood black, because the next thing is to paint the hatch black, once I weld the holes shut in the back. I making the whole top of the car one color and the bottom half another color.

It's called a full paint job. You know you are a completely ghetto riceboy when you rattle can your car... regardless of the situation or end result.

And with leather seats dsm's sure did come with leather seats. Just like your vr6's TSI's and GS-Ts, GSX's came with leather seats. Just not heated seats.

Who cares? I PROMISE VW's have more standard features than the nicest DSM or asian cars in general. VW's cost more because of these standard features.

And they cost a hell of alot less then jetta's do.

You get what you pay for.

I took my jetta to my gaurge and asked the machince if I could put an exaust on it, and he said it would hard to do and prouble make alot of ratting noise hitting the back axel.

Why don't you take it to a reputable mechanic? I have a 3 inch exhaust on my jetta and I have NO rattling problems whatsoever.

exhaust systems are alot easyer to do.

WTF do you care? It's not even you that will be installing the exhaust. Unless you are a true rice fanboy and actually try to weld up the exhaust system yourself... Which is probably the reason it's going to rattle and hit the rear axle anyway... Once again, you get what you pay for. Professional Exhaust and Performance Shop > DIY with a harbor freight welder.

And with fixing them up, getting body kits and rims

If you fix it yourself it's actually a lot cheaper than any asian car i know of... but most rice fanboy's don't know jack about cars so they end up taking it to a German auto repair shop and pay 90 dollars/hour to get their car fixed... So I agree with you there... If you don't know jack about cars, yes they are more to fix.

There are PLENTY of body kits availible for Jettas... Trust me bud... ever since "fast and rice fanboy furious" came out there have been a wash of body kits become availible for German cars... But only real German enthusiasts wouldnt put a snowplow bumper on their car... So again... I agree with you there too!

Rims.... are you smoking crack? VWs are standard. I can pull 5 lug rims off a dsm and put them on my VR6 GTI.... And to lower a VW atleast you don't need camber correction kits... But you are a rice fanboy and probabaly wouldnt correct the camber on your car anyway...

Wanna argue some more??? I got plenty where that came from.

[kodkingvegeta]

How come it seems that EVERY dub member that has owend a DSM has had problems with it? When me and all of my friends that have DSM's have NO problems with them at all? Hmmmmmm........maybe its just bad luck for all of you dub boys. Also all of my friends that have owend vws say they hate them because of how much work and money it takes to fix the smallest problem. My vw had a bad speed sensor and I went to 5 Shops looking for one and they all wanted like 80 bucks. I found some used ones for 40. But 80 bucks for a sensor! I dont even spend that much for a sensor on my car.

This talon makes my 4th dsm that Iv owend. I have a 1999 Eclipse GS, that I have NO problems with. I have a 1990 Eclipse thats a project car, I just sold my 1993 Talon, and I have this 1992 Talon. As far as getting what you pay for I agree with u. If you buy any car for 400 bucks off of some dump kid that abused it, then yor going to get crap. If you spend 400 bucks on a car that someone babyed and are just selling it to get money, then u have a good car. That works for ALL cars, just not dsms.

With kits and exhaust and stuff like that, it takes alot less money to fix up a dsm then it dose a vw. Why because dsms parts are EVERYWHERE, why because they are the worlds most fixed up cars. Show me vws that look half as good as some of the dsms out there.

I would rather own a rice burner then own a vw ever again. Why, because the guy I take my cars to has been working on cars since he was 15 yrs old. Hes worked on just about every car out there. When he saw that I owend a vw he told me to sell it. He said when vws start going bad, everything goes bad. Vws where trying to be known as the space saving car in the engine bay, while there right, my one friend owend one that had that space saving thing, and he had to take half his motor apart to change his alternator. On top of his car leaving him sit on the side of road many times before that.

You want to keep arguing, be my quest, I can keep at it.

[SteveXs2]

I can sit here and argue with u all day y I like dsm's more then vw's. But I just dont think you guys care, all u care about is ur vw's and are not open minded about anything else.

Okay... lets argue all day! :D I've owned a turbo DSM and it was the crappiest car EVER. 1995 Talon TSi. The car was garbage. It had 112,000 miles on it and both front tie rods were bad. Some bearing in the rear gearbox was bad causing unnerving racket, and vibration on the highway. It grinded every time I shifted into 2, 3 and 4th gears because the synchros were shot... VERY common on dsm transmissions. The slave and master cylinders were on their way out causing me to be unable to completely disengage the clutch to get the shifter into 1st gear at a stopsign or stoplight. Previous own had replaced the tiny turbo twice. Burned 1 quart of oil every couple weeks, pieces of the car falling off... inside and out.

My jetta (231,000 miles) has had HALF the work of the TSi, and my jetta pushes just as much boost as a TSi does.

Ditto on the turbo DSM, I had a '91 with 120,000 miles on it, great paint, nice seats (though uncomfortable), and the thing just seemed great. I couldn't take it for much of a test drive aside from back roads since it wasn't insured, but I didn't think of it as a big deal and just bought the car after the owner blabbed on about how great it was.

BAD IDEA.

First thing I do after filling up the gas tank is get out onto the highway so I can see what this car is made of. After cruising for a bit to let it warm up, I pull off to the local airport road, turn around, come back onto the highway real slow, stop in the middle of the highway (it's northern BC, there's no such thing as traffic), and just lay into the thing.

First gear... I hit 4,000rpm and the car starts vibrating and all the parts of the dash start buzzing, redline, clutch, shift to second, gears grind almost like the clutch doesn't exist, put the pedal to the floor, 4,000rpm everything starts shaking again, hit about 80km/h and then all hell breaks loose. The car jerks like a bull, lurching violently.

Scared the crap outta me.
$600 repair bill later, plus $70 for a freakin' valve cover gasket and some of the many problems are taken care of. The car no longer lurches when accelerating (throttle position sensor was screwed) but it still vibrates like a mofo, leaks oil out of every possible place, and to add to that it develops an idle surge that makes it impossible to drive at low speeds, so I end up disconnecting the sensor after seeing if the local shop could fix the POS, and because i disconnected the sensor it would idle at a constant 1,600rpm.

Needless to say, I sold the car ASAP. Insurance was high, gas was higher, and the feel of driving the car was horrible. 1st to 2nd gear ground like nothing else, the gas pedal was rock hard, the seats were uncomfortable, basically the thing is built like a ****ing space ship, which is what you seem to be going for, especially after you cover the thing with neon lights, "aerodynamic" body kits, and fill it full of "ZMAX PERFORMANCE CHEMICALS".

So, have fun with your space ship, you'll look like a fool driving it, and you'll never beat a VR6. And last but not least, don't come to a VW site trying to say that DSMs are better than VWs.

[kodkingvegeta]

don't come to a VW site trying to say that DSMs are better than VWs.

My intention was not to come to this forum and say that dsms are better then vws. I was just trying to show all of you my car, when you all started to say how ugly it is, and say how much better vws are. And as far as a dsm betting a vr6. Let me get my friends 93 talon that has 10 grand+ done to it in preformce parts and other stuff. He will let your vr6 sit.

[SteveXs2]

^ Put $10,000 into a VR6 and you're going to get a lot farther. I've got a video of a VR6t that does 100-200km/h (60-120mph) in 6.5 seconds. I'd like to see your friend's car do that.


How come it seems that EVERY dub member that has owend a DSM has had problems with it? When me and all of my friends that have DSM's have NO problems with them at all?

VW enthusiasts have higher standards than riceboys. We are conservative in how we "fix up" a car. We know that when a german engineer does something to the body of a car, it was done that way for a reason, which is why german car enthusiasts leave a car stock. But not for ricerboys, no, they have to everything looking like a snowplow with jet air intakes to cool their squeaky brakes with mesh and who the hell else knows what. True German car enthusiasts don't paint sections of their car at a time, or buy a badgeless grill and wait 3 months to paint it. They do things right, they wait to have body work done when it can all be done at once so they don't look like a rediculous riceboy driving on the road.


My vw had a bad speed sensor and I went to 5 Shops looking for one and they all wanted like 80 bucks. I found some used ones for 40. But 80 bucks for a sensor! I dont even spend that much for a sensor on my car.

The throttle position sensor in my DSM was $500 and it had to be ordered out of province, just like the $70 gasket. This is after the "good neighbour discount" since the guy across the street works where I got the parts from.

I know you riceboys are good at adding, because all horsepower ratings on the boxes of fart cans, cheap air intakes, and performance chemicals are added to the stock crank horsepower of your car, which is why you think they're so great.

With kits and exhaust and stuff like that, it takes alot less money to fix up a dsm then it dose a vw. Why because dsms parts are EVERYWHERE, why because they are the worlds most fixed up cars. Show me vws that look half as good as some of the dsms out there.

The world's most fixed up cars? Not even close. DSM started in the late 80s, and the talon died in the mid-90s. You've got a few years of cars alive there, which is why you don't see that many of them on the road. It only seems there are lots of them because you hear the fart can, see the jetboy body kit, and laugh at it when it drives by, so you take notice of it. Of course, not all DSMs are bad, they can potentially be great cars, I've seen some that ARE great cars, it's just when ricers get ahold of them (as with any car, as with VWs) that they get to be the ugliest, lamest pieces of **** on the road.

[Matty-O]

Ok you gave us four cars to look at on the last page...

On the fourth pic, I didnt know the '94 Eclipses came with...

Corvette Tailights...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/2083000-2083999/2083735_8_full.jpg

and a bodykit designed after the emu in pepto bismol pink
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/2083000-2083999/2083735_20_full.jpg

http://www.eggcrazy.com/Images/Emu.JPG

Now, here's an article on the best your DSM's could come up with...the 1999 Eclipse GSX...AWD, 210-hp I-4 Turbo, Leather...

http://www.cartalk.com/content/testdrives/Reviews/mitsubishi-eclipse-gsx-1999.html

Some of the first words...

"As new cars, like the updated Ford Probe (may it rest in peace), the updated Honda Prelude and the Mercury Cougar came out, the Eclipse got passed by." <<<<< Wow the mighty DSM got passed up by a MERCURY COUGAR!!!!

The final words of the article state...

"These days, if were looking for an exciting, turbocharged, good-handling, four-cylinder, all-wheel-drive car, we'd buy an Audi A4 1.8t for about the same money."


Ok, now...Compare that to...

www.caranddriver.com/previews/8006/volkswagen-r32.html

The first words in the article... "Looking for an instant autocrosser? Look no further."

And "R32 production is limited to just 5000. Operators are standing by."

^^^^^^Enough said...but if you so decide to stay with your dsm, i leave you with the following:

As you drive by, the people will hear the garbage can on the back of your car from down the block wondering, "what the heck is that?!?" and they will be like :? , but you will be like 8) when you really should be like :oops:. But it won't phase you and you'll keep driving...Then, when you try and race someone and you rev your engine, the mustang next to you will hear "ZING- ZING!" and they will be :cry: for you and turn off their car as they're pained, but you will be like :twisted:. Then, the light will turn green and you will drop the clutch and 7000 rpms to make sure you get the best jump you can off the line fiercly shifting through gears playing "act a fool" or "move (nice-young-woman) get out the way". As you blast off the line, the people will dive to their stomachs scared for their lives ( 8O ) for they thought they heard gun shots, but it was really your car backfiring...As the night winds down and you pull into your driveway, you will feel 8) for you will now go online and postup on your local website and tell the story of how you "dodged bullets and snuffed a 5.0 Mustang" at the same time. You will then go to sleep feeling :D and dream of the next person you will :twisted:....Till next time everyone...Till next time...

[jettadude]

dude as i said before theres no replacement for displacement. a 2.0L is only going to put out so much power because of its displacement. a 2.8L will in the end put out more because of the extra .8L of displacement. and they make a 3.2L kit that is even more displacement. so you put the same turbo on a 2.8 and on your 2.0L 16V dsm and the 2.8 will smoke it all damn day. the AWD helps with off the line but on the highway it will kill you. thats why my vr6 will put your talons and eclipse's to shame on the highway. you may kill me off the line with your AWD but if you ever had a vr6 it is the highway king. dude they are crapy built cars, there cheap which means cheap parts. its a chysler product. they are going to leak oil and die at 100K yea you can make them very fast very cheaply but then they break all the time, for those who have had a turbo dsm you may know the second you mod it, it will not like to run, start, drive right again. go on i think its dsmtalk.com and youll read about even the people that own them know there crap but love the cheap power. and what talon came with leather? show us the option of leather. here its like an srt-4 at the end of the day its still a neon.

[jettadude]

wait there must be an explaintion on why he is doing this, i think i have the asnwer, Acording to the fake times express and fox 99 in chipawah falls, the new brain defineing cream DSM has been recalled due to excessive stupidness and crap posting on forums, They urge the consumer to dicontinue use and go out and buy a real car.

here was the picture of the product, sir and you taking this cream?
http://www.herbhealer.com/images/Products/dsm/dsm02.jpg

[jettadude]

http://homepage.usask.ca/~skf147/1995%20Mitsubishi%20Eclipse.jpg

they blow it up for a reason :twisted:

[SteveXs2]

I'm loving this. Are you loving this? I'm loving this.

Let's all say cheers to bringing to light horrible work ricers do to their cars.

Cheers!

[GoodDayForADrive]

I'm sorry but
http://www-static.cc.gatech.edu/ugrads/t/tperkins/vws/mk3_337.jpg

is better than
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2173000-2173999/2173016_18_full.jpg

any day of the week.

You cannot possibly think those cars are that great looking. German style outdoes DSM all the way.

[Mr_Diesel]

And as far as a dsm betting a vr6. Let me get my friends 93 talon that has 10 grand+ done to it in preformce parts and other stuff. He will let your vr6 sit.

HOLY MOTHER OF ANCIENT MOSES!!!!! You are smoking crack!!!! 10 Grand in a ANY vr6 is a realiable 400hp! Wtf is the matter with you bud? Show me ONE dsm that makes 400hp and is A) Reliable and B) uses 93 octane.

Cheap --- Fast --- Reliable

Pick only 2. :roll:

[kodkingvegeta]

Ok you gave us four cars to look at on the last page...

On the fourth pic, I didnt know the '94 Eclipses came with...

Corvette Tailights...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/2083000-2083999/2083735_8_full.jpg

and a bodykit designed after the emu in pepto bismol pink
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/2083000-2083999/2083735_20_full.jpg

http://www.eggcrazy.com/Images/Emu.JPG



DSM's didnt come with vet lights, they mod the back end to add the vet lights. Another person modded super lights to back of there car. Go to www.dsmtuner.com to see what all ppl do to there cars, and how fast then can make them go. Like I said I did not come here to tell u that dsm's are better then vws, all I wanted to do is show everyone my car and u all started to tell me what crap it is. Everyone is intitled to there own opinion, I have nothing wrong with that. But when u all start telling me how crappy my car is u expect me to take it. So I start back with u, and now u guys cant take it.

http://www.automotive.com/1995/12/eagle/talon/reviews/index.html

[Mr_Diesel]

Dude.... You came into a German car forum to show us a 400 dollar dsm that has definatly seen betters days... and to boot you are ghetto fixing and painting with a rattle can?.... what do you expect us to say? Atleast your VW looked decent.

[GoodDayForADrive]

Dude.... You came into a German car forum to show us a 400 dollar dsm that has definatly seen betters days... and to boot you are ghetto fixing and painting with a rattle can?.... what do you expect us to say? Atleast your VW looked decent.

Valid point.

Mr_Diesel: 23
kodkingvegeta: 0

[SteveXs2]

Like I said, I thought you were from Utah so when I saw Penn on the cardomain site I thought this was a joke and you were making fun of the car.

Had I known it was yours, I would've asked questions like:

"Why are you painting the hood black?"
and
"Why are you putting that gigantic wing on the back"

I'm not a mean guy, so had I known it was your car I would have had less "haha"s and "omg so lame"s.


BTW, here's the end all to be all:

You can have a 300hp talon/eclipse/laser, or you can have a 300hp golf/gti/jetta. They can both be reliable, and they can both be made to look good. But the big differences is that while both type of car can get you the girl, only in the VW do you have enough room to f*** in the back seat.

[Mr_Diesel]

Well... I have to sorta.... disagree with stevey on that one... lol... you might need to fold the back seats down to make it really comfortable... lol.


Edit: Ohhh by the way, I forgot to tell you guys not to diss the SRT-4.... Dude... I drove one of those cars, holy crap!!! Dealer installed stages can get that car above 300hp. I'd buy an SRT-4 if I could afford it! (it's still a neon, yeah... But it doesn't perform, handle or look like a neon, that is for sure.

[jettadude]

Edit: Ohhh by the way, I forgot to tell you guys not to diss the SRT-4.... Dude... I drove one of those cars, holy crap!!! Dealer installed stages can get that car above 300hp. I'd buy an SRT-4 if I could afford it! (it's still a neon, yeah... But it doesn't perform, handle or look like a neon, that is for sure.

the srt's are very fast but its a neon thou, barely any power features stuff like that, and to work on the motors! are impossable. they lower the body onto the motor. i was talking to some srt people they are a pain to work on there is no room in the engine bay.

[GoodDayForADrive]

There's a guy in my neighborhood with an older neon, constantly works on it. Sounds like crap though, and looks worse :lol:

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